It absolutely will not stop, ever. Until you are dead.

The metal of the day isn’t metal again, sorry. 

For starters let me get one thing out of the way. I had a great time playing Shadowrun, it helped me produce some memorable gaming moments and I had a blast portraying my NPC’s and the unique setting and there are mechanics in the game which I think are of value and help drive play in fun ways (ex: The equipment and contacts systems.). I will be the first to admit that I have very little patience for slow, crunchy, “tactical” combat and so some of my criticisms you should take with a grain of salt. Even If you love the game and think its flawless, more power to you. But even if hyper-simulation is your thing when it comes to tabletop games, there’s still got to be some better and more effective ways to go about it.

9/10 people agree, this editing is terrible.

The game goes through the introduction of the various concepts of Shadowrun and cyberpunk in general, VR simulation, globalization, etc.  Mega corporations form the main antagonists of the Shadowrun world. Sure there are other foes like street gangs, bug spirits, crime syndicates and potentially governments. But the zaibatsus dwarf them all in scope and in ability. It’s a lot of fluff that precedes the actual real mechanics of the game, which isn’t a problem in concept but rather in execution.

The trouble is that there’s so much of it to plow through and much of the information isn’t useful to either player or GM at this stage of the book. Now most reference points I have to other RPG books for comparison is mostly fantasy games (F20) which is perhaps unfair due to the ubiquitous of Dungeons and Dragons in the hobby. Everyone knows Dungeons and Dragons, so informing the players in these games is less necessary since we’re already familiar with the common tropes. Even so if you are buying this game then that assumes you’ve either a) Liked the games concepts and setting or you are already a cyberpunk fan and this is the biggest product on the market for it, (this is me) b) Played the video games and thought the same thing, or c) You were roped into doing this and you don’t really care about it either way, just get to the part where I can decide what cool guns I get to shoot people with.

Putting so much fluff front loaded onto the book is just poor design, most people want to crack the book open and start reading about the things they’ll actually be doing on a moment to moment basis. You all hear those horror stories about the GM who starts a campaign off by giving you his 50 page word document about all the intricate details of his pet creation and rambles on in the first session for an hour before the players get a word in.This is a little like that. Much of how I feel about the fluff of a game and its presentation can be found better explained and written here. 

The rest of the editing and layouts gaffs are too numerous to name, but mainly it has to do with the consistent flipping back and forth in order to get the procedures for how to properly resolve mechanics, sometimes over a hundred pages to get the full explanation of how something should work. Things other games take seconds to resolve.

Pink Trenchcoats

Even hardcore Shadowrun fans have to admit that the Character generation method in the core book is dumpster-tier, and even Catalyst Games revamped it with different options in their Run Faster splat. First the book outlines what it calls character concepts (or archetypes). The Face (talky guy), Spell-caster (mage or shaman), Decker (the hacker), Technomancer (what? Someone who..uses hacker-spells. Or something, I still don’t know), Rigger (Drone guy/the driver) and Street Samurai (Shooty McStabby).

The system then introduces the concept of the Priority System. Essentially you choose various aspects of your character and then choose on a scale of A through E (best to least) how much of the thing you have or how good you are at it. Without getting into the step by step details of how this process works, I’ll summarize it with this. It takes a long fucking time to generate characters by hand and it doesn’t even give you all the unique customization you would want out of game that presents itself like this. Hell, even using chargen assistance programs like HeroLab the process can take forever, especially for newcomers.

Now this really isn’t a huge problem in itself, lots of very good games have very long and detailed customization. For instance Burning Wheel chargen is very detailed, it explains everything your character was from birth to the exact moment of the first session, including where they fit into the setting of the game, their skills, knowledge and motivations. With Shadowrun it takes two hours to find out how strong you are, what things you own and how good you are at using those things, and whether or not you’re addicted to drugs. In the game’s defense they did remedy this a bit with Run Faster by introducing Sum to Ten and a Life-path system. But oddly enough the game seems sort of stuck in the past and reminding me a lot of 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons. Lots of splatbooks, lots of little modifiers to add up whenever any action is taken. The overall design of the game actually feels very old and lots of more modern systems have realized that its better to have 1+2+3 = 6 rather than make the player do 12+7-2+1-2+1-5-6 = 6. Why make us make those extra steps to arrive at the number 6. Speaking of steps..

Actions, or why does this take forever?

Let’s get into my biggest pet peeve with this game which is that actions take way too much effort and time to resolve, particularly combat. I’ll go through the steps of actually shooting a person without any goofy modifiers thrown in at first. Keep in mind Shadowrun is a dice pool game of d6’s, and rolling a 5 or 6 is considered a hit (or success), which breaks down to about ⅓ chance to roll a hit on any given die. Here is a some-what min-maxed PC shooting at a Professional Rating 1 (in the fiction, a sort of experienced street thug, or low level security.)

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Here’s a Professional level 1 Mook.
  1. PC- Roll the Attacking pool. Combat Skill + It’s governing attribute. For example Long Arms 4 (dice) and Agility of 6, so total of 10 dice.
  2. NPC Thug- The defender rolls his defense pool, usually Reaction + Intuition attributes. which are 3 and 3 respectively, total of 6 dice.
  3. If the PC’s hits are greater or equal to the NPC’s: the attack succeeds, if the NPC’s are greater: it misses. Additionally keep track of the net hits (Attacker Hits minus Defender hits.)
  4. Assuming the attack succeeds, the defender then rolls its Soak test against the damage value of the weapon (this is an integer, NOT a dice pool) . His Body attribute + his armor (value is in number of dice.). For example rolling a Body of 4 and armor of 9, so 13 dice and gets 4 hits.
  5. The defender then takes the DV (Damage Value) of the weapon and subtracts his Soak test hits from it, taking that much damage.

Now that is the simplest version of the action, now let’s take into account how it plays with all of the rules in place, all of the modifiers for recoil, environmental conditions, cyber-ware, traits and everything else. Part of this is adapted from a Cheat sheet I found on one of the Shadowrun community forums. AP = Armor Penetration, DV = Damage Value. Both values are integers not dice pools.

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Here’s how you reload, don’t forget you need to keep track of your ammo expenditures.
  1. Choose the weapon and ammo you want to use, and
  2.  note their DV and AP.
  3. Choose a fire mode that you want to use.
  4. Add your Agility Attribute to your pool.
  5. Add the correct weapon skill to your pool.
  6. Add the bonus for laser sight or smart-link to your pool.
  7. Subtract any Wound Modifiers from your pool.
  8. Subtract the number of rounds fired this Phase from the Progressive Recoil Compensation total. If this number is below zero, that’s your recoil modifier. If the recoil modifier is less than zero, subtract it from your pool.
  9. Roll your pool dice, note your hits.
  10. If your attack is from a shotgun, tell the gamemaster; the defender loses defense pool.
  11. The defender rolls defense pool and subtracts their hits from your hits. If your net hits are zero or less, stop now.
  12. Add your net hits to your weapon + ammo DV; this is your modified DV. If this number is greater than the defender’s armor (modified by your weapon AP), it causes Physical damage, otherwise it causes Stun damage.
  13. Tell the gamemaster your final modified DV. The defender will attempt to resist the horrible  damage you have just caused
First thing I had to do in my first session was consult this chart. Great.

Did you get all that? Now do that every round with every PC. Got 5 PC’s? Get ready for an average of 13 steps per player or 65 steps per round of combat, not counting extra steps for accounting for the traits of the characters or environmental modifiers. Also not counting the actions the NPC’s will take. Nor the fact that decker’s and magicians who are in Astral/Cyber space use their own rule set ups and different attributes to attack as well as defenders rolling different abilities. Oh, and don’t forget to keep track of glitches, which is where on your dice roll over half of them are 1’s. On every roll. Don’t forget! (I forgot a lot.)

Also keep in mind that the core book itself does not explain these steps in simple terms, it uses paragraphs and entire pages to explain 1 or 2 of these steps.You can see how slowly the combat and actions in general resolve and why a single combat in this game can take hours, especially for newcomers. Of course I myself had the lucky privilege of having the very first action taken by a PC was throwing a grenade. Fuck.

Initiative or lack thereof

Okay, so the initiative system is actually interesting, though it presents many of the similar kinds of issues I have with the conflict resolution/combat. Initiative equals your Reaction and Intuition attributes + 1d6 (can be more if you take certain positive qualities in chargen or if you’ve cyber-ware) if in meatspace, and other stats if you are in astral or cyberspace. This means your initiative if somewhere around 10 if your attributes are decent as well as your roll. The main mechanic being at the end of each round of combat (every participant getting a turn.) All scores are subtracted by then and then whoever has a number greater than 1 goes again, in theory it’s supposed to get across the idea of certain actions being faster in cyberspace as well as chromed up people in meatspace being very quick. Another thing with the initiative score is that you can sacrifice X amount of it to do specific actions, usually defensive ones. This is actually a decent concept, but I am unsure if it was necessary to tie defensive reactions to make combat more dynamic to initiative which can already be long-winded. Don’t forget after every participant has a score of 0 or less, you re-roll the initiative and start the process again, all this combined with normal conflict resolution makes combat a slog through tar-filled swamps.

I could go on and on, but I won’t. Instead I’ll just provide a list of more things I think is a problem with the game or pet peeves. Here we go.

  • Too many separate rule sets to handle the various archetypes
  • Riggers are…not well thought out, they are planning to release a splat to fix it.
  • Wireless Matrix makes no sense, they released a Splat book to help with that.
  • Astral Space makes some sense, they released some splat books for it too (sensing a trend?)
  • Juggling all three spaces is tough for newer GM’s, even veteran ones who are new to Shadowrun
  • The vehicle combat rules..just..what?
  • No mechanics to enforce the games concepts of oppression/monolith rule of Mega Corporations or party opposition
  • GM Advice is largely worthless, lots of fluff about what to throw at them, no advice on how to mechanically do it.
  • Game assumes you will create enemies from scratch (as in Chargen them!) from scratch to oppose the PC’s

So that sums up most of my thoughts about Shadowrun. Would I run it again? I’m not sure, there is a lot of good fluff in the book about how to portray its world and its setting but probably other games do the mechanics of cyberpunk better. Or maybe I’m just totally wrong.

It absolutely will not stop, ever. Until you are dead.

3 thoughts on “It absolutely will not stop, ever. Until you are dead.

  1. vishalicious says:

    Damn. I haven’t gamed in about 20 years, but I remember playing (not running) Shadowrun fondly. You know – Savage Worlds has an Earthdawn port. Earthdawn’s rules were similar to Shadowrun if I remember right. Maybe there’s a way to take the Shadowrun setting and run it in Savage Worlds.


  2. Tyburn says:

    Your experience mirrors my own. My group and I had fun with it for a dozen sessions or so, and then ditched it for a rules system that didn’t drive us up a wall five times an hour.

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    1. Thanks for the comment man. Yeah If you want alternatives check out the Sprawl or Technoir for a less finicky cyberpunk. If you still want magic theres the Sixth World game thats a hack of Apocalypse World.


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